Comments on: Ex-Factor http://illtelligent.com/stereo/2007/03/02/383/ STILL livin' and jivin' and diggin' the skin he's in Thu, 20 Nov 2008 18:38:45 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6 By: D.J. $ BILL http://illtelligent.com/stereo/2007/03/02/383/#comment-4394 D.J. $ BILL Tue, 06 Mar 2007 16:29:02 +0000 http://illtelligent.com/stereo/2007/03/02/383/#comment-4394 I too have tired of defending a form of music I can no longer relate to or support. Now the battle for me has turned to explaining the difference between hip hop culture from rap/gangsta/thug culture as it is one and the same in the mainsteam's minds. While they share the same roots they have become the good vs. evil and all people know or care to know about is the bad side. Overall it's a good thing that "real" hip hop returned to the underground,however it leaves those without the motivation to search for it,only seeing the negative images that are thrown at them on hourly rotation. I am also bothered that some of the people that used to be part of the good side of hip hop,that have not spoken out more and have let their desire to stay "in" and current,influence their material. I will be taking DJ Jazzy Jeff to task about this when I see him tonight. While I don't expect or want "Parents Just Don't Understand" fare these days,I want to know what happened to great party jams that didn't need to be soaked in negative images and lyrics. I never had a problem with lyrics that relayed the ills of society,just as long as they were protesting them not glorifying,glamorizing and celebrating the worst in our world. It is like the recruitment ads for the military,the same money being dangled for education(if you live and kill others without question) is being dangled in videos(if you live and kill others without question).The down side in both is not accuratly potrayed on the screen and by the time you find out,it is too late My last guilty pleasure was Geto Boys and was also when I started to move away from the world of rap.When that style became the norm I woke up to the formula and the fact that it was not the authentic representation that it was being marketed as. That and GTA:SA on PS2,but at least I know that is a game. I too have tired of defending a form of music I can no longer relate to or support.

Now the battle for me has turned to explaining the difference between hip hop culture from rap/gangsta/thug culture as it is one and the same in the mainsteam’s minds.

While they share the same roots they have become the good vs. evil and all people know or care to know about is the bad side.

Overall it’s a good thing that “real” hip hop returned to the underground,however it leaves those without the motivation to search for it,only seeing the negative images that are thrown at them on hourly rotation.

I am also bothered that some of the people that used to be part of the good side of hip hop,that have not spoken out more and have let their desire to stay “in” and current,influence their material.
I will be taking DJ Jazzy Jeff to task about this when I see him tonight.

While I don’t expect or want “Parents Just Don’t Understand” fare these days,I want to know what happened to great party jams that didn’t need to be soaked in negative images and lyrics.

I never had a problem with lyrics that relayed the ills of society,just as long as they were protesting them not glorifying,glamorizing and celebrating the worst in our world.
It is like the recruitment ads for the military,the same money being dangled for education(if you live and kill others without question) is being dangled in videos(if you live and kill others without question).The down side in both is not accuratly potrayed on the screen and by the time you find out,it is too late

My last guilty pleasure was Geto Boys and was also when I started to move away from the world of rap.When that style became the norm I woke up to the formula and the fact that it was not the authentic representation that it was being marketed as.
That and GTA:SA on PS2,but at least I know that is a game.

]]> By: Charles Duggleson http://illtelligent.com/stereo/2007/03/02/383/#comment-4222 Charles Duggleson Fri, 02 Mar 2007 21:30:23 +0000 http://illtelligent.com/stereo/2007/03/02/383/#comment-4222 That's some hot back n forthin goin on over there. My knees be too creaky to get up and join that dance (nevermind that I don't have the moves anyway), but the the thing that concerns me here is the interlude. Which is to say (it seems to me) there's always been a lil overlap as one form of music recedes and a new one rises. Jazz to rhythm and blues to funk to rap/hip-hop to...? I mean either it's not really dead, it's just a lull before a storm of "new wave" creativity hits (are Lupe Fiasco and K-OS the "future?") or we might be going through the throes of <i>Black music in general</i> declining in mainstream influence. If so, come what may, it's been a good long run. That’s some hot back n forthin goin on over there. My knees be too creaky to get up and join that dance (nevermind that I don’t have the moves anyway), but the the thing that concerns me here is the interlude.

Which is to say (it seems to me) there’s always been a lil overlap as one form of music recedes and a new one rises. Jazz to rhythm and blues to funk to rap/hip-hop to…?

I mean either it’s not really dead, it’s just a lull before a storm of “new wave” creativity hits (are Lupe Fiasco and K-OS the “future?”) or we might be going through the throes of Black music in general declining in mainstream influence.

If so, come what may, it’s been a good long run.

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